Greensboro Looking At Red Light Surveillance Cameras again

Nearly two decades ago, Greensboro had a red light camera program. It placed surveillance devices at certain intersections. The goal was to catch motorists when they sought to beat the change from yellow to red. In cases when the motorist ran red lights, their license plate was photographed and they subsequently received a traffic violation.

It was enormously unpopular but the city wanted the revenue badly. When our leaders discovered they had to give the monies to the school system, they stopped the program.

Now, the matriarchal dingbats on the Greensboro City Council want to resurrect the red light cameras. They are saying they no longer care about the money.

In addition, as we reported previously, they want to add speed bumps within neighborhoods. Finally, they are talking about adding traffic circles or roundabouts. John Hammer has the details in the Rhino Times. These measures add considerably to the nuisance associated with local driving.

I think citizens need to resist strenuously any attempts to initiate electronic surveillance with the goal of systematically hitting citizens with legal and financial charges. This is an abuse of power, and it ought not be permitted. It is an encroachment on liberty; and it subtly makes citizens mere subjects of their masters.


2 thoughts on “Greensboro Looking At Red Light Surveillance Cameras again

  1. TC: The history on red light cameras is correct. One of the strongest advocates, at the time, against the cameras was local attorney Marshall Hurley.

    Here is a piece from The Hill on the subject: ( Pay particular attention to the fact that these cameras cause rear end collisions )

    “Speed and red-light cameras are the bane of many motorists. A modern idea made possible by technology, they have been installed in at least 24 states. Although these cameras are a revenue boon for governments across the nation, their intrusion into daily life is disturbing, and their constitutionality is dubious.

    Specifically, use of these cameras could violate the Sixth Amendment. The Confrontation Clause grants criminal defendants the right to be confronted with the witnesses against them. Since it is a camera and not a person that witnessed the offense, such violations generally cannot be considered a criminal offense. The ticket is issued to the owner of the vehicle, not to the person driving it, leaving a lack of certainty as to the identity of the offender.

    Therefore, the “ticket” in most places is nothing more than a civil fine, making enforcement and collection difficult. To date, governments have avoided this problem by requiring payment of the fine before motorists can renew their driver’s license or auto registration. Although there generally are appeals procedures, they typically do not give drivers a day in court. In other words, what happened to being innocent until proven guilty?

    There are several for-profit companies that install and operate the cameras, some of them foreign-owned. In a typical arrangement, a camera company will contract with a local government to pay the capital cost of installing the cameras in exchange for a share of the revenue generated via fines. In short, governments get a new revenue stream without any operating cost, and the camera companies make a tidy profit.

    The companies and government officials argue that greater safety will result from fewer accidents and that the increased government revenue will benefit the local communities.

    Studies to confirm those claims have yielded mixed results. Studies paid for by the camera companies or governments usually show fewer accidents. Independent studies and those financed by opponents usually show no gains and sometimes worse results.

    There is more evidence that greater public safety actually depends on the timing of yellow and red lights. Longer yellow and all-way red times have been shown to significantly reduce accidents. Sometimes local governments actually decrease yellow-light timing to catch more red-light runners, a result of the perverse financial incentives that tempt government officials and camera companies. Studies also show motorists are more likely to hit the brakes hard at camera-enforced intersections, increasing rear-end collisions.

    Unsurprisingly, these cameras are deeply unpopular. Since 1991, there have been 42 elections on adopting or prohibiting either speed or red-light cameras or both. In all but two of these, voters have opposed the cameras by an average margin of 63 percent.

    However, polling on the issue can show different results. A recent Public Opinion Strategies poll of 800 likely voters nationwide found 69 percent of respondents either strongly or somewhat support red-light cameras, while 29 percent somewhat or strongly oppose. Interestingly, 47 percent of those same respondents thought most of their neighbors opposed the cameras.

    A possible explanation is that, as a national poll, most respondents do not live in a locality with red-light cameras since less than half the states allow them and not all jurisdictions in those states have them. Therefore, many have never experienced them. Familiarity breeds contempt.

    Most citations for speed and red-light cameras are simply civil fines. The offender essentially has no recourse in court. The financial incentive creates a conflict of interest for local elected officials and camera companies to game the system in their favor. These factors can undermine citizens’ faith in government and breed mistrust.

    We are brought up to respect the legal system that was handed down to us through English common law. We expect the laws to be just and fairly applied. We expect to always have recourse in the courts. And most importantly, we always expect to be treated equally before the law. Speed and red-light cameras are contrary to those expectations. This is not good for the civil society, especially at a time when distrust in government is high. “

    1. Great article, Fred. And the point is very true that drivers will be inclined to jam on the breaks and this can lead to being rear-ended. But the constitutional angles are very thoughtfully and skillfully presented also, and these are very important.

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